It's two Barrys in a row on the podcast, as my guest for Episode #335 is Barry O'Reilly and we're talking, in depth, about his latest book, Unlearn: Let Go of Past Success to Achieve Extraordinary Results.
Barry is a business advisor, entrepreneur, and author who has pioneered the intersection of business model innovation, product development, organizational design, and culture transformation. See his full bio.
In the podcast, Barry and I chat about topics including 1) experimental approaches to entrepreneurship, 2) how leaders need to make it safe for people to try new things, and 3) why you have to unlearn before you can learn something new – that's the pathway that allows you to then achieve breakthrough results. These are good ideas in business and they also talk about the interesting case of tennis legend Serena Williams and how she reinvented her game to extend her greatness.
I hope you enjoy the conversation as much as I did and I hope you'll pick up the book.
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Questions, Topics, and Links:
- Before we talk about Unlearn, I was hoping you could talk a bit about your career arc from software developer to consulting on business models and such…
- When did you get introduced to The Lean Startup concepts?
- Can you talk a bit about the book you wrote in Eric's series, Lean Enterprise: How High-Performing Organizations Innovate at Scale?
- How did Unlearn come to be?
- What is the unlearning cycle?
- How does somebody realize or discover that past knowledge is outdated or an obstacle?
- Requires “courage, self-awareness, and humility”
- Can any of that be coached or developed?
- “We need to unlearn the idea of transformation programs.”
- “It's not you… the world changed.”
- How can we help shift from “knowing” answers to testing solutions in a truly experimental way?
- You talk about creating an environment where it's safe to experiment… what are some key things that a leader can do?
- “The best leaders don't have all the answers;
they ask better questions.”
- How can we learn to ask better questions?
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