“Outcomes for Human Systems…” — A Conversation With Barry O’Reilly


Back in March, I was able to have Barry O'Reilly, author of the excellent book Unlearn as a guest on my Lean Blog Interviews podcast.

Barry was also kind enough to do a webinar presentation that I hosted through KaiNexus. You can view/listen to the recording of the webinar.

Thanks to Barry for returning the favor and having me as a guest on his relatively new podcast series. I particularly enjoyed his conversation with Kent Beck if you want to check that out too.

You can find the podcast in all of the usual places, through his website, or by using the streaming player below:

I hope you enjoy the conversation. You can also read some quotes and highlights here.


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Mark Graban is an internationally-recognized consultant, author, and professional speaker who has worked in healthcare, manufacturing, and startups. His latest book is Measures of Success: React Less, Lead Better, Improve More. He is author of the Shingo Award-winning books Lean Hospitals and Healthcare Kaizen, as well as The Executive Guide to Healthcare Kaizen. He also published the anthology Practicing Lean that benefits the Louise H. Batz Patient Safety Foundation, where Mark is a board member. Mark is also a Senior Advisor to the technology company KaiNexus.

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