Thanks to Barry for returning the favor and having me as a guest on his relatively new podcast series. I particularly enjoyed his conversation with Kent Beck if you want to check that out too.
You can find the podcast in all of the usual places, through his website, or by using the streaming player below:
I hope you enjoy the conversation. You can also read some quotes and highlights here.
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