Podcast #294 – Clay Linkous, Studer Group Principles & #Lean

Joining me for episode #294 is Clay Linkous, an account leader and speaker with Studer Group. He is an accomplished cultural transformation and leadership expert who has synthesized Lean and other improvement methods with Studer Group principles and practices.

Today, we'll talk about Clay's career and his purpose and motivations – both for working in healthcare and improving healthcare. We're both firm believers in the combination of Studer and Lean practices, so we're also discussing that as our main topic.

I hope you enjoy the discussion!


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  • My opening AIDET
  • Please tell us about how you started off in healthcare. Why healthcare? Where does your fire come from?
  • How and when did you get introduced to Lean and “Performance Improvement?”
    • He learned from Chuck Noon, PhD, a guest in episode #120.
    • “Well-intentioned Lean practitioners who are ‘head people' get excited about improving metrics, but forget about the ‘heart' people. I can't be just about the numbers.”
    • “Process improvement will struggle if it's a standalone… leadership matters.”
  • When and why did you transition to Studer Group? Can you tell listeners a bit about Studer Group, as well?
  • When I first got into healthcare in 2005, a number of hospital people recommend Quint Studer‘s Hardwiring Excellence and I saw a lot of conceptual parallels, leadership principles that reminded me of Lean. How do you see Lean and Studer Principles fitting together?
  • What are some examples of organizations that have combined Studer Principles and Lean?
    • Baptist Health – check out the work of Skip Steward and others there
  • How can leaders avoid confusing people when combining Lean and Studer?
    1. Language matters (what you call your improvement methodology or program)
    2. Change management matters (as a process of change)
    3. Having a leadership accountability system matters.
  • What advice do you have for healthcare leaders in these times that are full of a lot of uncertainty and change?
    • Focus on what you can control and influence:
      1. Connect the work to the purpose, reengage stakeholders
      2. Focus on your culture, be an amazing place to work

Disclosure: In 2017, I became a speaker through Studer Group in addition to my other work and roles, so I have a working relationship with them.

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Mark Graban helps leaders build workplaces where people speak up and improvement sticks, through Lean management, psychological safety, and better use of metrics. He is a keynote speaker, advisor, and host of the Lean Blog Interviews and My Favorite Mistake podcasts.

He is the author of The Mistakes That Make Us, Measures of Success, Lean Hospitals, and Healthcare Kaizen, and a three-time recipient of the Shingo Publication Award. His next book is The Silence Tax.

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One comment

  1. I really enjoyed this podcast. I had felt for a long time that the Studer and Lean philosophies shared a lot in common, especially the concept of Servant Leadership as Mark pointed out. Clay’s description of the Shingo Model and how it aligns with Studer thinking also clarified the relationship. I may have to get out my copy of Hardwiring Excellence again and give it another read.

    Thanks for a fine podcast, guys.

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