Podcast #336 – Gladys Bogoshi, a Lean Healthcare CEO from South Africa

My guest for Episode #336 is Gladys Bogoshi, the Chief Executive Officer at Charlotte Maxeke Johannesburg Academic Hospital, one of the ten central hospitals in South Africa and the main teaching platform of the University of the Witwatersrand. The Hospital is situated in Johannesburg and has a bed capacity of 1189.

Gladys is going to be a keynote speaker at this year's Lean Healthcare Transformation Summit, to be held in Washington, DC on June 13 & 14. I'll be there and I hope you can join us. I'll also be teaching a pre-Summit workshop on Measures of Success that I hope you can attend.

In this episode, we talk about how she got introduced to Lean, some of the improvements that her hospital has driven in surgery, pharmacy, and other areas. What is her role as CEO in a Lean journey? What are some of the fundamental behaviors that are important and how you can coach people on those? We talk about all of that and more.


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  • Can you please introduce yourself and tell the listeners about your career in hospital management
  • How did you first get introduced to Lean?
  • What are your experiences with Lean at your hospital?
    • Success stories?
      • “Implementing lean allowed her hospital to improve efficiency across the board. For example, operating room efficiency has improved by 36%.”
      • How was that accomplished?
      • Other examples? Prescription filling?
  • How did you learn more about Lean management?
  • “The patient experience should be a good one.”
  • How would you describe your role as a CEO and a leader of Lean transformation?
  • What are your goals for Lean and how does that contribute to the goals of the hospital?
  • How widespread is interest in Lean in South African hospitals?
  • What else do you plan on talking about at the Summit in DC?
  • Fundamental behaviors: 1) Show respect 2) Humility
  • How it helps to have a “buddy” — a non-judgmental coach

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Mark Graban helps leaders build workplaces where people speak up and improvement sticks, through Lean management, psychological safety, and better use of metrics. He is a keynote speaker, advisor, and host of the Lean Blog Interviews and My Favorite Mistake podcasts.

He is the author of The Mistakes That Make Us, Measures of Success, Lean Hospitals, and Healthcare Kaizen, and a three-time recipient of the Shingo Publication Award. His next book is The Silence Tax.

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