Podcast #318 – Marcus Hammarberg, How Lean & Kanban Saved an Indonesian Hospital


Joining me from Sweden for Episode 318 of the podcast is Marcus Hammarberg, author of the fascinating book Salvation: The Bungsu Story: How Lean and Kanban saved a small hospital in Indonesia. Twice. And can help you reshape work in your company.

Marcus is a software developer, consultant, lean/agile coach, speaker, and author. He ended up with an opportunity to work with a hospital in Indonesia and he tells that compelling story in the book. How did a huge hole in the roof help trigger a change in culture and results? You'll hear about that and more in this episode. I hope you enjoy it and find it inspirational, as I did.

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Topics and notes for this episode:

  • Find Marcus online:
  • Introductions
  • How did you get introduced to methods like agile, scrum, kanban, lean, etc. in software?
  • What's the high-level story of how and why you went to Indonesia?
  • What was the situation? “Start where you are!”
  • Taking baby steps toward improvement. “What has improved since yesterday? The tiniest improvement…
  • What's a “conformist-amber culture?”
    • Hierarchical, “carrot & stick”
    • The result: “They didn't dare change anything.”
    • Were staff really lazy and undermotivated?
  • How did you work to overcome blaming and a lack of trust?
    • Being candid about not knowing the answers
  • Setting goals, being super clear about the goal, visualizing, providing daily updates
  • “In doing the work, we discover the work that needs to be done.” – Woody Zuill
    • Thanks, Woody, for introducing me to Marcus!

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Mark Graban
Mark Graban is an internationally-recognized consultant, author, and professional speaker, and podcaster with experience in healthcare, manufacturing, and startups. Mark's new book is The Mistakes That Make Us: Cultivating a Culture of Learning and Innovation. He is also the author of Measures of Success: React Less, Lead Better, Improve More, the Shingo Award-winning books Lean Hospitals and Healthcare Kaizen, and the anthology Practicing Lean. Mark is also a Senior Advisor to the technology company KaiNexus.


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