Thanks to the “Work Minus” podcast for having me on their show:
Work Minus Overreacting to Business Metrics with Mark Graban – Distinguishing signal vs. noise

I enjoyed being on this podcast — here are two quotes they captured:
“When we have a metric that's in that realm of noise, there is no easy answer or root cause for every up or down.”
and
“If we're desperate to paint a picture of success, people will abuse, they'll cherry pick data points, they'll massage the data, if not torture that data, to prove the point that they need to show because politically, it might be really unsafe to either not know, or it might be really unsafe to try something that fails.”
I hope you'll check it out — what do you think?
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