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Podcast #107 – Daniel H. Pink (@DanielPink), Lean and “Drive”

Episode #107 is something I’ve been looking forward to for some time now – an interview with Dan Pink, the author of some ¬†outstanding books including Drive: The Surprising Truth About What Motivates Us and Free Agent Nation: The Future of Working for Yourself, among others.

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Today, we’re talking about “Drive” and a number of issues that will be familiar and relevant, yet thought provoking to Lean thinkers and students of Dr. W. Edwards Deming, ideas such as the dysfunctions of incentives and rewards, intrinsic motivation, and finding the balance between autonomy and following “standardized work” in a modern workplace.

You can find Dan on Twitter as @DanielPink and his website is, which has his blog, and more. DAn has a paperback version of Drive coming out in the spring of 2011 and, if you’ve read Drive, you can send him ideas and feedback via this blog post of his.

In the podcast, I reference back to:

To point others to this episode, use the simple URL:

For earlier episodes, visit the main Podcast page, which includes information on how to subscribe via RSS or via Apple iTunes.

You can use the player (use the VCR-type controls) at the top of the post to listen to a “streaming” version of the podcast (or click here for the streaming audio and RSS subscription). The streaming link is faster for one-time listening (hardly any delay to start listening). Or you can use the download link to put it on your iPod or other MP3 player.

If you have feedback on the podcast, or any questions for me or my guests, you can email me at [email protected] or you can call and leave a voicemail by calling the “Lean Line” at (817) 776-LEAN (817-776-5326) or contact me via Skype id “mgraban”. Please give your location and your first name. Any comments (email or voicemail) might be used in follow ups to the podcast.

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Mark Graban's passion is creating a better, safer, more cost effective healthcare system for patients and better workplaces for all. Mark is a consultant, author, and speaker in the "Lean healthcare" methodology. He is author of the Shingo Award-winning books Lean Hospitals and Healthcare Kaizen, as well as The Executive Guide to Healthcare Kaizen. His most recent project is an eBook titled Practicing Lean that benefits the Louise H. Batz Patient Safety Foundation, where Mark is a board member. Mark is also the VP of Improvement & Innovation Services for the technology company KaiNexus.

2 Comments on "Podcast #107 – Daniel H. Pink (@DanielPink), Lean and “Drive”"

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  1. For a summary of “Drive” approved by the author go to
    After reading it I hope you will be motivated to buy the book if you haven’t. If you have already read the book, this summary will help you review the important concepts.

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