Comments on: This WSJ Article (as do Many Organizations) Misses the Point of 5S http://www.leanblog.org/2008/10/this-wsj-article-and-many-organizations/ Mark Graban's leanblog.org - Lean Healthcare, Lean Thinking, Lean Manufacturing, Toyota Production System Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:01:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Lean in Hospitals around Detroit — Lean Blog http://www.leanblog.org/2008/10/this-wsj-article-and-many-organizations/#comment-23872 Lean in Hospitals around Detroit — Lean Blog Wed, 10 Aug 2011 19:35:19 +0000 http://leanblog.bigbigdesign.net/2008/10/this-wsj-article-as-do-many-organizations-misses-the-point-of-5s/#comment-23872 [...] There are many good examples in the article, so I won’t try to quote from them all, click on the link and take a look. The article is also (thankfully) free of any really misguided sounding “fake lean” or “L.A.M.E.” practices, so it sounds like there’s a lot of good Lean work going on without too many “office 5S” type debacles. [...] [...] There are many good examples in the article, so I won’t try to quote from them all, click on the link and take a look. The article is also (thankfully) free of any really misguided sounding “fake lean” or “L.A.M.E.” practices, so it sounds like there’s a lot of good Lean work going on without too many “office 5S” type debacles. [...]

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]]> By: Lean in a New Zealand E.R. — Lean Blog http://www.leanblog.org/2008/10/this-wsj-article-and-many-organizations/#comment-22887 Lean in a New Zealand E.R. — Lean Blog Thu, 28 Jul 2011 03:49:40 +0000 http://leanblog.bigbigdesign.net/2008/10/this-wsj-article-as-do-many-organizations-misses-the-point-of-5s/#comment-22887 [...] cynicism and negativity on a different Lean topic from yesterday afternoon, scroll down or click here. Be warned, the article I blogged about made me very [...] [...] cynicism and negativity on a different Lean topic from yesterday afternoon, scroll down or click here. Be warned, the article I blogged about made me very [...]

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]]> By: More Retail Taylorism (The Whole Story) — Lean Blog http://www.leanblog.org/2008/10/this-wsj-article-and-many-organizations/#comment-22884 More Retail Taylorism (The Whole Story) — Lean Blog Thu, 28 Jul 2011 03:48:55 +0000 http://leanblog.bigbigdesign.net/2008/10/this-wsj-article-as-do-many-organizations-misses-the-point-of-5s/#comment-22884 [...] with the recent “office 5S” story, is the WSJ highlighting Meijer’s practices because they’re funny and absurd, or [...] [...] with the recent “office 5S” story, is the WSJ highlighting Meijer’s practices because they’re funny and absurd, or [...]

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]]> By: This Year’s WSJ "JIT"-Bashing Article, Again Misguided — Lean Blog http://www.leanblog.org/2008/10/this-wsj-article-and-many-organizations/#comment-22883 This Year’s WSJ "JIT"-Bashing Article, Again Misguided — Lean Blog Thu, 28 Jul 2011 03:48:38 +0000 http://leanblog.bigbigdesign.net/2008/10/this-wsj-article-as-do-many-organizations-misses-the-point-of-5s/#comment-22883 [...] This WSJ Article (as do Many Organizations) Misses the Point of 5S [...] [...] This WSJ Article (as do Many Organizations) Misses the Point of 5S [...]

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]]> By: A Video Showing Office 5S Gone Wrong — Lean Blog http://www.leanblog.org/2008/10/this-wsj-article-and-many-organizations/#comment-12647 A Video Showing Office 5S Gone Wrong — Lean Blog Fri, 10 Sep 2010 09:02:26 +0000 http://leanblog.bigbigdesign.net/2008/10/this-wsj-article-as-do-many-organizations-misses-the-point-of-5s/#comment-12647 [...] way, including marking where your keyboard, phone, and computer monitor go. You might also remember my criticism of Kyocera’s Office 5S program from [...] [...] way, including marking where your keyboard, phone, and computer monitor go. You might also remember my criticism of Kyocera’s Office 5S program from [...]

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]]> By: Anonymous http://www.leanblog.org/2008/10/this-wsj-article-and-many-organizations/#comment-4149 Anonymous Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:39:00 +0000 http://leanblog.bigbigdesign.net/2008/10/this-wsj-article-as-do-many-organizations-misses-the-point-of-5s/#comment-4149 When's the last time you saw a Kyocera cell phone?<br/><br/>I rest my case.<br/><br/>This company is focusing on all the wrong things. When’s the last time you saw a Kyocera cell phone?

I rest my case.

This company is focusing on all the wrong things.

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]]> By: Anonymous http://www.leanblog.org/2008/10/this-wsj-article-and-many-organizations/#comment-4147 Anonymous Thu, 30 Oct 2008 04:26:00 +0000 http://leanblog.bigbigdesign.net/2008/10/this-wsj-article-as-do-many-organizations-misses-the-point-of-5s/#comment-4147 bowling in the office aisles doesn't make a company good and neither does having the right number of push pins on an announcement. on the other hand bowling in aisles is a lot more fun. i'll bet kyocera has a tuff time recruiting and keeping new grads. bowling in the office aisles doesn’t make a company good and neither does having the right number of push pins on an announcement. on the other hand bowling in aisles is a lot more fun. i’ll bet kyocera has a tuff time recruiting and keeping new grads.

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]]> By: Mark Graban http://www.leanblog.org/2008/10/this-wsj-article-and-many-organizations/#comment-4144 Mark Graban Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:43:00 +0000 http://leanblog.bigbigdesign.net/2008/10/this-wsj-article-as-do-many-organizations-misses-the-point-of-5s/#comment-4144 Jon, that's funny about the WSJ exposing the problems with Kyocera's 5S.... good line.<br/><br/>I agree that, once implemented, 5S and visual management is about exposing problems.<br/><br/>But, the whole process of starting and implementing 5S (including sustain) is "solving" problems (ok, countermeasuring) since the problem of "things get lost or go missing" often goes away because problems are exposed in the new, more organized environment. Jon, that’s funny about the WSJ exposing the problems with Kyocera’s 5S…. good line.

I agree that, once implemented, 5S and visual management is about exposing problems.

But, the whole process of starting and implementing 5S (including sustain) is “solving” problems (ok, countermeasuring) since the problem of “things get lost or go missing” often goes away because problems are exposed in the new, more organized environment.

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]]> By: Jon Miller http://www.leanblog.org/2008/10/this-wsj-article-and-many-organizations/#comment-4142 Jon Miller Wed, 29 Oct 2008 00:07:00 +0000 http://leanblog.bigbigdesign.net/2008/10/this-wsj-article-as-do-many-organizations-misses-the-point-of-5s/#comment-4142 5S, as with visual management, is done not to SOLVE problems but to EXPOSE them. <br/><br/>Deviation from 5S (or from any standard) is a problem. Simply doing 5S is not a solution, since lack of neatness is rarely the root cause.<br/><br/>In that sense, the WSJ article has been a very effective "5S" of 5S approaches and methods. 5S, as with visual management, is done not to SOLVE problems but to EXPOSE them.

Deviation from 5S (or from any standard) is a problem. Simply doing 5S is not a solution, since lack of neatness is rarely the root cause.

In that sense, the WSJ article has been a very effective “5S” of 5S approaches and methods.

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]]> By: Mark Graban http://www.leanblog.org/2008/10/this-wsj-article-and-many-organizations/#comment-4138 Mark Graban Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:09:00 +0000 http://leanblog.bigbigdesign.net/2008/10/this-wsj-article-as-do-many-organizations-misses-the-point-of-5s/#comment-4138 Dan Markovitz (TimeBack Management -- stay tuned for an upcoming Podcast with him) wrote about this on this blog:<br/><br/><a HREF="http://www.timebackmanagement.com/blog/the_wall_street_journal_gets_it_wrong_on_5s" REL="nofollow">TimeBack Management Blog</a> Dan Markovitz (TimeBack Management — stay tuned for an upcoming Podcast with him) wrote about this on this blog:

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