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	<title>Comments on: Demand for Lean People Higher Than Six Sigma People?</title>
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		<title>By: Mike T.</title>
		<link>http://www.leanblog.org/2008/07/demand-for-lean-people-higher-than-six_15/#comment-3769</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, in order to create symmetry, our company is combining the Lean and Six-Sigma personnel and combining the training.  Their goal is to have Lean/Six-Sigma green-, black-, and master blackbelts.  Great for synergy, not so good for someone with 8 years Lean experience (with company and before), a greenbelt (but from another company, so not honored), and no company-taught Six-Sigma background.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Now I&#039;m trying to keep from having to start at the bottom after 2 years of successful Lean leadership.  While I dislike certifications, this is where it would be beneficial to have industry standards, as opposed to &quot;my company&quot; and &quot;your company&quot; standards...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, in order to create symmetry, our company is combining the Lean and Six-Sigma personnel and combining the training.  Their goal is to have Lean/Six-Sigma green-, black-, and master blackbelts.  Great for synergy, not so good for someone with 8 years Lean experience (with company and before), a greenbelt (but from another company, so not honored), and no company-taught Six-Sigma background.</p>
<p>Now I&#8217;m trying to keep from having to start at the bottom after 2 years of successful Lean leadership.  While I dislike certifications, this is where it would be beneficial to have industry standards, as opposed to &#8220;my company&#8221; and &#8220;your company&#8221; standards&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that it may be that companies don&#039;t understand the difference.  In fact, when I first started learning about lean, I was confused by this because in the reading I was doing, it seemed like lean and six sigma were used almost interchangeably.  If you only have a vague understanding of lean (which might explain why a given company would have a job posting looking for experts), I think it would be easy to be confused by the two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that it may be that companies don&#8217;t understand the difference.  In fact, when I first started learning about lean, I was confused by this because in the reading I was doing, it seemed like lean and six sigma were used almost interchangeably.  If you only have a vague understanding of lean (which might explain why a given company would have a job posting looking for experts), I think it would be easy to be confused by the two.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike LaChapelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike LaChapelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that most companies are looking for people with both Lean and Six Sigma skills.  One of the reasons may be something that Dean alluded to.  It&#039;s very difficult to judge the qualifications for Lean Six Sigma folks, but it&#039;s easier for Six Sigma than for Lean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that most companies are looking for people with both Lean and Six Sigma skills.  One of the reasons may be something that Dean alluded to.  It&#8217;s very difficult to judge the qualifications for Lean Six Sigma folks, but it&#8217;s easier for Six Sigma than for Lean.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Bliss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean Bliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still find it interesting that most of the calls I get from recruiters about Lean jobs also ask for black belt certification.  Granted, I&#039;m in healthcare, and Six Sigma was first to the table in our industry, but I think organizations are struggling to know what qualifications to ask for with Lean people.  Maybe it&#039;s the idea that they want both - but I think some of it has to do with taking the Sigma job descriptions and adding &quot;lean&quot; to the list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still find it interesting that most of the calls I get from recruiters about Lean jobs also ask for black belt certification.  Granted, I&#8217;m in healthcare, and Six Sigma was first to the table in our industry, but I think organizations are struggling to know what qualifications to ask for with Lean people.  Maybe it&#8217;s the idea that they want both &#8211; but I think some of it has to do with taking the Sigma job descriptions and adding &#8220;lean&#8221; to the list.</p>
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		<title>By: Panu Kinnari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Panu Kinnari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 06:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not here in Finland. Very rarely there are open positions for lean professionals, practically only McKinsey is continuously recruiting people with lean skillset.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But then again Six Sigma isn&#039;t in that much better position.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Checked from local Monster.com pages and currently they are pretty even, few positions for both.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One thing to note is that none of the adds I have seen requires extensive lean skills, mainly just &quot;Knowledge of LEAN-principles is beneficial&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not here in Finland. Very rarely there are open positions for lean professionals, practically only McKinsey is continuously recruiting people with lean skillset.</p>
<p>But then again Six Sigma isn&#8217;t in that much better position.</p>
<p>Checked from local Monster.com pages and currently they are pretty even, few positions for both.</p>
<p>One thing to note is that none of the adds I have seen requires extensive lean skills, mainly just &#8220;Knowledge of LEAN-principles is beneficial&#8221;.</p>
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