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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.leanblog.org/2008/04/reader-question-gm-and-lean/#comment-3517</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 18:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Devin,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One addtional item for you to review. Learning Through Alliances: General Motors and NUMMI by Andrew C. Inkpen (California Management Review Vol 47, No 4 Summer 2005)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Devin,</p>
<p>One addtional item for you to review. Learning Through Alliances: General Motors and NUMMI by Andrew C. Inkpen (California Management Review Vol 47, No 4 Summer 2005)</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.leanblog.org/2008/04/reader-question-gm-and-lean/#comment-3515</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 23:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>evin,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You might want to check out these sites. Hopefully they are helpful.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://media.gm.com/manufacturing/&lt;br/&gt;&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; GM.com Media Link&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/1/0/9/3/4/p109345_index.html&lt;br/&gt;&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;AllAcademic.com Link&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.autointell.com/News-2003/January-2003/January-2003-1/January-03-03-p6.htm&lt;br/&gt;&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;AutoIntell.com Link&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KJI/is_8_119/ai_n19493397&lt;br/&gt;&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;FindArticles.com Link&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you can get a copy also review:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Automotive Design &amp; Production 01Aug2007</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>evin,</p>
<p>You might want to check out these sites. Hopefully they are helpful.</p>
<p><a HREF="http://media.gm.com/manufacturing/<br/>&#8221; REL=&#8221;nofollow&#8221;> GM.com Media Link</p>
<p><a HREF="http://www.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/1/0/9/3/4/p109345_index.html<br/>&#8221; REL=&#8221;nofollow&#8221;>AllAcademic.com Link</p>
<p><a HREF="http://www.autointell.com/News-2003/January-2003/January-2003-1/January-03-03-p6.htm<br/>&#8221; REL=&#8221;nofollow&#8221;>AutoIntell.com Link</p>
<p><a HREF="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KJI/is_8_119/ai_n19493397<br/>&#8221; REL=&#8221;nofollow&#8221;>FindArticles.com Link</p>
<p>If you can get a copy also review:</p>
<p>Automotive Design &#038; Production 01Aug2007</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.leanblog.org/2008/04/reader-question-gm-and-lean/#comment-3513</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 01:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having worked for GM for many years, I can assure you that GM has made tremendous strides in implementing lean. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Every organization should have a lean system that fits their work culture. You just can&#039;t copy what Toyota does. Many people have tried that before. Toyota has 50+ years ingraining into there soul. Until it become natural it must always be nurtured. This requires a lot of hard work and continual review and correction. It also has to fit the culture and history of the organization. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There are areas of excellence and areas that need improvement within GM. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Look at the Autoline Detroit archives and there is a broadcast that gives a comparison of workers per unit. In this measure GM places ahead of Toyota. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The Harbour report shows the productivity improvements that  GM has made over the years. This reflects the impact of implementing GMS, (GM&#039;s Lean). So we are making progress but understand there is much left to accomplish. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We also understand that we will be near were we are suppose to be when people start to write about our production system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having worked for GM for many years, I can assure you that GM has made tremendous strides in implementing lean. </p>
<p>Every organization should have a lean system that fits their work culture. You just can&#8217;t copy what Toyota does. Many people have tried that before. Toyota has 50+ years ingraining into there soul. Until it become natural it must always be nurtured. This requires a lot of hard work and continual review and correction. It also has to fit the culture and history of the organization. </p>
<p>There are areas of excellence and areas that need improvement within GM. </p>
<p>Look at the Autoline Detroit archives and there is a broadcast that gives a comparison of workers per unit. In this measure GM places ahead of Toyota. </p>
<p>The Harbour report shows the productivity improvements that  GM has made over the years. This reflects the impact of implementing GMS, (GM&#8217;s Lean). So we are making progress but understand there is much left to accomplish. </p>
<p>We also understand that we will be near were we are suppose to be when people start to write about our production system.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Reisman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Reisman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll take a stab at Devlin&#039;s last request &quot;Do you try to adopt everything from Toyota or just the pieces that don&#039;t challenge your old thinking too much?&quot;. I think GM attempted the later, specifically they hired about 25-30Toyota mid to senior level managers many years ago (to incorporate the Toyota way). Needless to say, not a single Toyota manager is there and nearly all left within two years. Lean is a bit like pregnancy....you are or you aren&#039;t. Not much of a middle ground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll take a stab at Devlin&#8217;s last request &#8220;Do you try to adopt everything from Toyota or just the pieces that don&#8217;t challenge your old thinking too much?&#8221;. I think GM attempted the later, specifically they hired about 25-30Toyota mid to senior level managers many years ago (to incorporate the Toyota way). Needless to say, not a single Toyota manager is there and nearly all left within two years. Lean is a bit like pregnancy&#8230;.you are or you aren&#8217;t. Not much of a middle ground.</p>
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		<title>By: Lester</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 00:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually it sounds like Devin has a very good start understanding what the topic of the paper should be. Devin can study the writings of many experts and scholars (a literature review is in order) and do a meta analysis of the situation at GM. I think after reading the Womack &amp; Jones series,  and the Liker series he will be in a position to understand that the tools are not what should be studied to understand Lean.  GM is trying, but they definately are not what I would consider past the beginning stages of trying to understand Lean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually it sounds like Devin has a very good start understanding what the topic of the paper should be. Devin can study the writings of many experts and scholars (a literature review is in order) and do a meta analysis of the situation at GM. I think after reading the Womack &#038; Jones series,  and the Liker series he will be in a position to understand that the tools are not what should be studied to understand Lean.  GM is trying, but they definately are not what I would consider past the beginning stages of trying to understand Lean.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Graban</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Graban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point, anonymous -- going to the gemba is always preferable. But, the intent there is as a management method. This student has a different assignment -- writing a paper.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Can a student not write a research paper about Africa without going there first hand?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If anyone would be willing to host the student on a tour, email me via the link in the left hand column of the blog and I&#039;ll put you in touch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point, anonymous &#8212; going to the gemba is always preferable. But, the intent there is as a management method. This student has a different assignment &#8212; writing a paper.</p>
<p>Can a student not write a research paper about Africa without going there first hand?</p>
<p>If anyone would be willing to host the student on a tour, email me via the link in the left hand column of the blog and I&#8217;ll put you in touch.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a lean idea: go to the gemba. Instead of writing about something you haven&#039;t seen by researching the writing of others who haven&#039;t seen it either, go find yourself a GM plant and pay them a visit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a lean idea: go to the gemba. Instead of writing about something you haven&#8217;t seen by researching the writing of others who haven&#8217;t seen it either, go find yourself a GM plant and pay them a visit.</p>
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