Comments on: Duct Taping the Dreamliner http://www.leanblog.org/2007/09/duct-taping-dreamliner/ Mark Graban's leanblog.org - Lean Healthcare, Lean Thinking, Lean Manufacturing, Toyota Production System Thu, 09 Feb 2012 15:26:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Neutron Jerk http://www.leanblog.org/2007/09/duct-taping-dreamliner/#comment-2548 Neutron Jerk Fri, 07 Sep 2007 09:31:00 +0000 http://leanblog.bigbigdesign.net/2007/09/duct-taping-the-dreamliner/#comment-2548 OK, last comment.... sorry. There are other headlines that talk about "blame" being placed in this episode, the supply chain and software problems. I wonder if Boeing is doing a "5 whys" analysis like you do, Mark, or if they're just blaming and shaming? That would tell you how "lean" they are. OK, last comment…. sorry. There are other headlines that talk about “blame” being placed in this episode, the supply chain and software problems. I wonder if Boeing is doing a “5 whys” analysis like you do, Mark, or if they’re just blaming and shaming? That would tell you how “lean” they are.

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]]> By: Neutron Jerk http://www.leanblog.org/2007/09/duct-taping-dreamliner/#comment-2547 Neutron Jerk Fri, 07 Sep 2007 09:29:00 +0000 http://leanblog.bigbigdesign.net/2007/09/duct-taping-the-dreamliner/#comment-2547 Oh and I meant to add -- nice how they dumped on the supplier (who Boeing chose). Is this an "industry shortage" (as some articles called it) or a "bad supplier?"<br/><br/><a HREF="http://www.designnews.com/article/CA6476301.html" REL="nofollow">This article</a> pins blame on the boom-and-bust cycles in the industry, made worse by the dropoff in sales after 9/11.<br/><br/>The article talks about how Alcoa is responsible for the fasteners, or at least some of them. Not a "small vendor." Oh and I meant to add — nice how they dumped on the supplier (who Boeing chose). Is this an “industry shortage” (as some articles called it) or a “bad supplier?”

This article pins blame on the boom-and-bust cycles in the industry, made worse by the dropoff in sales after 9/11.

The article talks about how Alcoa is responsible for the fasteners, or at least some of them. Not a “small vendor.”

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]]> By: Neutron Jerk http://www.leanblog.org/2007/09/duct-taping-dreamliner/#comment-2546 Neutron Jerk Fri, 07 Sep 2007 09:25:00 +0000 http://leanblog.bigbigdesign.net/2007/09/duct-taping-the-dreamliner/#comment-2546 I'm dumbfounded by this. Did you also catch the part in the article about how their fancy computer system for supplier and product management was SLOWING DOWN their process? Planes used to be built off of paper. Is that another "siren song" of software as you and Kevin Meyer blog about??<br/><br/>Who the hell is in charge at Boeing? If hospitals like to say "we're complicated, we're different," is that same excuse using by aerospace companies?? I’m dumbfounded by this. Did you also catch the part in the article about how their fancy computer system for supplier and product management was SLOWING DOWN their process? Planes used to be built off of paper. Is that another “siren song” of software as you and Kevin Meyer blog about??

Who the hell is in charge at Boeing? If hospitals like to say “we’re complicated, we’re different,” is that same excuse using by aerospace companies??

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]]> By: Chet Frame http://www.leanblog.org/2007/09/duct-taping-dreamliner/#comment-2545 Chet Frame Fri, 07 Sep 2007 02:48:00 +0000 http://leanblog.bigbigdesign.net/2007/09/duct-taping-the-dreamliner/#comment-2545 On NPR this afternoon there was an interview with a Boeing executive who said that in all Supply Chains there are large and small vendors and this was a small vendor failure, but that they "are handling it."<br/><br/>Point the finger and throw them under the bus. What happened to vendor development? On NPR this afternoon there was an interview with a Boeing executive who said that in all Supply Chains there are large and small vendors and this was a small vendor failure, but that they “are handling it.”

Point the finger and throw them under the bus. What happened to vendor development?

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]]> By: Anonymous http://www.leanblog.org/2007/09/duct-taping-dreamliner/#comment-2544 Anonymous Thu, 06 Sep 2007 22:45:00 +0000 http://leanblog.bigbigdesign.net/2007/09/duct-taping-the-dreamliner/#comment-2544 David - in this case, this says the composite material was not designed for temp fasteners. Nor did they properly keep track of the temp fasteners! That's the horrible execution. To Ron, sure the execs aren't dumb, but was there incompetent execution here? Was their approach really the lowest total cost approach? Sure Toyota delayed the new Prius but I don't think we would see an apparent debacle like this from Toyota (or GM!!). David – in this case, this says the composite material was not designed for temp fasteners. Nor did they properly keep track of the temp fasteners! That’s the horrible execution. To Ron, sure the execs aren’t dumb, but was there incompetent execution here? Was their approach really the lowest total cost approach? Sure Toyota delayed the new Prius but I don’t think we would see an apparent debacle like this from Toyota (or GM!!).

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]]> By: David http://www.leanblog.org/2007/09/duct-taping-dreamliner/#comment-2543 David Thu, 06 Sep 2007 22:05:00 +0000 http://leanblog.bigbigdesign.net/2007/09/duct-taping-the-dreamliner/#comment-2543 If the off-the-shelf fasteners were all in one area of the plane, in addition to being painted red, then they could probably be located and replaced with considerable certainty. But if they're spread all over, it becomes much more problematic. <br/><br/>Devil's advocate: Aren't there other assembly processes in which temporary fasteners are used to hold things together during assembly and then removed? If the off-the-shelf fasteners were all in one area of the plane, in addition to being painted red, then they could probably be located and replaced with considerable certainty. But if they’re spread all over, it becomes much more problematic.

Devil’s advocate: Aren’t there other assembly processes in which temporary fasteners are used to hold things together during assembly and then removed?

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]]> By: Ron Pereira http://www.leanblog.org/2007/09/duct-taping-dreamliner/#comment-2542 Ron Pereira Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:10:00 +0000 http://leanblog.bigbigdesign.net/2007/09/duct-taping-the-dreamliner/#comment-2542 Sometimes I think we bloggers are a little tough on Boeing... but this one is just unacceptable. I mean come on people. What the heck were they thinking? <br/><br/>It so crazy I just wonder if we are getting the whole story. <br/><br/>Lean or not.. Boeing is not run by a bunch of dummies. But I am struggling to find an ounce of smarts in this little adventure.<br/><br/>All I can say is wow. Almost as loud as my wow when FREAKING APPALACHIAN STATE BEAT MICHIGAN! Now that is worthy of a WOW!<br/><br/>Go Bucks! Sometimes I think we bloggers are a little tough on Boeing… but this one is just unacceptable. I mean come on people. What the heck were they thinking?

It so crazy I just wonder if we are getting the whole story.

Lean or not.. Boeing is not run by a bunch of dummies. But I am struggling to find an ounce of smarts in this little adventure.

All I can say is wow. Almost as loud as my wow when FREAKING APPALACHIAN STATE BEAT MICHIGAN! Now that is worthy of a WOW!

Go Bucks!

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