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	<title>Comments on: One Doctor&#8217;s View on Lean</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.leanblog.org/2006/11/one-doctors-view-on-lean/#comment-1190</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Nov 2006 19:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Bill and Mark.  Another reason would be to decrease patient Lead Time to have the procedure.  If there is a rash of L that need to be completed but no R then patients needing the L procedure could wait days extra where they could have moved up in days and the Lead Time decreased, instead of waiting for R to fill the spots.  Truer FIFO too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Bill and Mark.  Another reason would be to decrease patient Lead Time to have the procedure.  If there is a rash of L that need to be completed but no R then patients needing the L procedure could wait days extra where they could have moved up in days and the Lead Time decreased, instead of waiting for R to fill the spots.  Truer FIFO too.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Graban</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Graban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 20:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your answer makes a lot of sense, Bill.  Patient &quot;demand&quot; is a weird thing to figure out because patients don&#039;t get to request their procedure time -- they&#039;re not given much choice other than &quot;day&quot; maybe.  The scheduling department pretty much tells patients when, so the demand (who prefers morning, who prefers afternoon) is hidden or never exposed.  Hard to say if true demand is LRLRLRL or LRRLLRRRL or LLLLRRRR.  But, I agree you should have changeover time down (applying external setup and standardization) to have flexibility when you need it.  Great point.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s probably a good practice to standardize the changeover, from a quality standpoint.  I agree with John that they are probably trying to minimize the opportunity for errors through changeover (someone forgets a setting, etc.).  But, the answer isn&#039;t to avoid changeovers -- it&#039;s to standardize through checklists and visual controls and I bet speed will come with the error proofing (less doublechecking and rework in the changeover process).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your answer makes a lot of sense, Bill.  Patient &#8220;demand&#8221; is a weird thing to figure out because patients don&#8217;t get to request their procedure time &#8212; they&#8217;re not given much choice other than &#8220;day&#8221; maybe.  The scheduling department pretty much tells patients when, so the demand (who prefers morning, who prefers afternoon) is hidden or never exposed.  Hard to say if true demand is LRLRLRL or LRRLLRRRL or LLLLRRRR.  But, I agree you should have changeover time down (applying external setup and standardization) to have flexibility when you need it.  Great point.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s probably a good practice to standardize the changeover, from a quality standpoint.  I agree with John that they are probably trying to minimize the opportunity for errors through changeover (someone forgets a setting, etc.).  But, the answer isn&#8217;t to avoid changeovers &#8212; it&#8217;s to standardize through checklists and visual controls and I bet speed will come with the error proofing (less doublechecking and rework in the changeover process).</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Waddell</title>
		<link>http://www.leanblog.org/2006/11/one-doctors-view-on-lean/#comment-1182</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Waddell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 20:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The value is in the setup reduction - which eliminates cost and frees up capacity.  If, in fact, it takes an hour to move the machine from right to left, that is two hours of surgical capacity lost each day, and and two hours of cost to pay the person to move it.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Going to LRLRLR is simply the forcing function to make them address the setup cost.  Left alone, the long setup will remain intact and the waste will stay in place.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Once the setup is reduced, the actual sequence should be driven by customer demand - not by complying to LRLRLR sequencing merely to conform with the theory of heijunka.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;A case can probably be made in medical situations that each setup creates a defect opportunity, and minimizing the frequency of setups reduces exposure to defect opportunities.  That may well be the case, but it should not be used as a license to keep the waste of the long setup inact.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In summary - reduce the setup time, then decide whether LLLLRRRR or LRLRLRLR makes the most sense based on quality considerations - not based on how best to amortize waste of setup costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The value is in the setup reduction &#8211; which eliminates cost and frees up capacity.  If, in fact, it takes an hour to move the machine from right to left, that is two hours of surgical capacity lost each day, and and two hours of cost to pay the person to move it.</p>
<p>Going to LRLRLR is simply the forcing function to make them address the setup cost.  Left alone, the long setup will remain intact and the waste will stay in place.</p>
<p>Once the setup is reduced, the actual sequence should be driven by customer demand &#8211; not by complying to LRLRLR sequencing merely to conform with the theory of heijunka.</p>
<p>A case can probably be made in medical situations that each setup creates a defect opportunity, and minimizing the frequency of setups reduces exposure to defect opportunities.  That may well be the case, but it should not be used as a license to keep the waste of the long setup inact.</p>
<p>In summary &#8211; reduce the setup time, then decide whether LLLLRRRR or LRLRLRLR makes the most sense based on quality considerations &#8211; not based on how best to amortize waste of setup costs.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 19:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I had a cornea replacement a few years ago those doing the prep asked me again which eye was getting the work, marked the right side of my face with dye and put a big black x on my right hand. I guess that&#039;s so Doctor would know which side to stamp out and replace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I had a cornea replacement a few years ago those doing the prep asked me again which eye was getting the work, marked the right side of my face with dye and put a big black x on my right hand. I guess that&#8217;s so Doctor would know which side to stamp out and replace.</p>
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		<title>By: curiouscat</title>
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		<dc:creator>curiouscat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 17:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree: it seems like the best reason for doing left eyes in the AM and right eyes in teh PM is pokayoke.  Maybe they are doing the right thing for the wrong reason. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree: it seems like the best reason for doing left eyes in the AM and right eyes in teh PM is pokayoke.  Maybe they are doing the right thing for the wrong reason. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Christiansen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Christiansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 17:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, with the number of surgical mistakes that you hear about, I would feel better knowing that if I was to have surgery on my right eye, and they scheduled me for 9 AM, I had a &quot;visual&quot; indicator that they would be working on the wrong eye.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think too many times people focus on lean to get speed, where the principles taught by Dr. Deming, Taiichi Ohno and others were to focus on quality and prevention.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And the interesting thing that happens when you focus on quality and prevention -- speed naturally occurs because you have less re-work or mistakes happening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, with the number of surgical mistakes that you hear about, I would feel better knowing that if I was to have surgery on my right eye, and they scheduled me for 9 AM, I had a &#8220;visual&#8221; indicator that they would be working on the wrong eye.</p>
<p>I think too many times people focus on lean to get speed, where the principles taught by Dr. Deming, Taiichi Ohno and others were to focus on quality and prevention.</p>
<p>And the interesting thing that happens when you focus on quality and prevention &#8212; speed naturally occurs because you have less re-work or mistakes happening.</p>
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